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Tue, May. 16th, 2006, 10:04 am
On true belief

That day, two students were fist-fighting to the point where a teacher had to break them apart. After settling and calming, the teacher queried for the cause of their dispute.

Said the one student: "He does not accept that my beliefs are true."

Asked the other: "How can his beliefs be true, when mine are?"

Responded the teacher: "It seems your beliefs differ. Why is it, you two fight over difference in beliefs?"

Asked the first student: "Should he not accept my beliefs are true?"

Responded the teacher: "Why should he? Can you prove they are?"

Responded the student: "I feel they are true, I feel it in my heart. That is all the proof I need."

Responded the other student: "We cannot prove the truthfulness of either of our beliefs. Such is the definition of belief. But my belief is true anyway."

Inquired the teacher: "You both are different people, with different parents, different friends, and different histories. For each of you, your beliefs are functional. You both believe that what you believe is true for you. Are you unable to accept that the same holds true for the other?"

The two students bowed their heads in shame and replied: "No, wise man, we are not."

Explained the teacher: "Then let this be a lesson. Instead of fighting over truth, try looking at your differences and learn from them. Also look at your similarities and learn from them. Instead of imposing your own belief on someone else, learn to understand how theirs works and what makes them believe it. Once you understand their beliefs, you will understand the person. You might still disagree, but the fighting stops."

With that, the teacher left the students to study.

Mon, Oct. 9th, 2006 11:24 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous)

I love this lesson....opening your mind, listening and trying to understand why someone believes what they do is a great first step in trying to find common ground.

We don't have to agree or accept a different belief system...but we do have to be comfortable enough with what we believe to respect someone else's beliefs.

Tue, Oct. 10th, 2006 07:11 am (UTC)
[info]xentor: Thanks for commenting!

Something I see, is that some people are so afraid of meeting other people's beliefs that they see no other action than to attack it. To overcome this, one must first accept oneself and one's beliefs, then look at others and their beliefs without fear.

Know thyself.

Wed, Oct. 11th, 2006 02:45 am (UTC)
(Anonymous): Re: Thanks for commenting!

That's the whole problem. Sometimes people say they believe something, or subscribe to a specific belief system...but when confronted with something different panic because it means they have to rethink what they believe...

It can be scary...and some people are afraid to leave their comfort zones...they are afraid to not belong to something anymore.

Thu, Aug. 23rd, 2007 01:00 am (UTC)
(Anonymous): Re: Thanks for commenting!

You know, I find this lesson interesting. Socrates believed in deconstructing what you believe in order to build a firm foundation for "truth".

Beliefs are based (imo) on the truths that we know through personal gnosis and the Divine.

What may be a belief of mine may not be a belief of yours, but yet both are true..and equally untrue....yet still are part of Divine Truth.

Does that make any sense?

BTW...this is Twinkle. :)

Fri, Aug. 24th, 2007 10:43 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous)

The caveat to this story is that the first child does not have concrete evidence.

Fri, Aug. 24th, 2007 10:50 pm (UTC)
[info]xentor

The other student doesn't have evidence either. Neither does the teacher. The point of the dialogue is that faith is not about evidence, and therefore cannot be compared like theories can. So fighting over it is a waste of time that could be spent better on practicing one's faith.

Sat, Sep. 22nd, 2007 03:28 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous)

I think it depends on the context. If one is making a claim about their beliefs based off of inaccurate historical information...and someone knows better, there will be fighting, because it's about intellectual honesty.

If one is disregarding historical accuracy, then that's fine, but they need to admit that they are making it up as they go. Creating facts, or perpetuating fakelore because you "really want to believe it" is not faith.